WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.100 --> 00:00:14.940 Lynda Wayne: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the September 22nd meeting of the NSGIC 3D Hydrography for the Nation Interest Group. 2 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:30.380 Lynda Wayne: As usual, we'll have a USGS update, then we'll provide a few NSGIC project updates. Today will feature Missouri. We're going to talk about how they're applying and using hydrography data. 3 00:00:30.670 --> 00:00:38.209 Lynda Wayne: We'll have some state updates, and then we'll have an open discussion afterwards. I should have added that to the… to the, 4 00:00:38.370 --> 00:00:44.349 Lynda Wayne: Meeting. So if you have, announcements or anything you'd like to discuss, we'll do that after the state updates. 5 00:00:44.810 --> 00:00:50.469 Lynda Wayne: I… for those of you that don't know, these are the main points of contact for the project. 6 00:00:51.370 --> 00:01:00.799 Lynda Wayne: Lynda Wayne, me, Sue Buto, don't think… I think Sue's engaged in another meeting today, is that right? I'm scrolling down to see if she's there. 7 00:01:01.080 --> 00:01:04.109 Steve Aichele - USGS: Sue is in Alaska, she was gonna try to make it, but… 8 00:01:04.360 --> 00:01:06.679 Steve Aichele - USGS: You know, she may or may not bring it on. 9 00:01:07.100 --> 00:01:12.350 Lynda Wayne: All right, but you just heard Steve Aichele, who is with us from USGS, and we heard earlier 10 00:01:12.460 --> 00:01:18.740 Lynda Wayne: Audio working. Is someone having issues with their audio? 11 00:01:19.770 --> 00:01:26.710 Lynda Wayne: I think we're… I think we're generally good on the audio, but if there's someone having issues, my apologies. Hope you can work it out. 12 00:01:27.570 --> 00:01:35.770 Lynda Wayne: And we heard Dennis Pedersen, of course. Dennis is the NSGIC 3DHP liaison to the Federal 3D NTM Working Group. 13 00:01:35.900 --> 00:01:44.430 Lynda Wayne: This meeting is being recorded, and the meeting will be published to the NSGIC Knowledge Base, and you can search under 3DHP FTN. 14 00:01:47.140 --> 00:01:52.790 Lynda Wayne: We're gonna start out with the USGS update, and I will hand that to Steve Aichele. 15 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.479 Steve Aichele - USGS: Alright, 16 00:01:55.800 --> 00:02:14.210 Steve Aichele - USGS: Well, so, acquisition updates, we have, 137,000 square miles of Alaska, awarded for this year. We've got 97,000 square miles of CONUS planned. That's… there's still some 17 00:02:14.530 --> 00:02:17.270 Steve Aichele - USGS: Right on the edge of getting out. 18 00:02:17.660 --> 00:02:36.130 Steve Aichele - USGS: We'll see if that gets out this year or gets out early in 27. I'll note that that 137,000 square miles in Alaska brings us real close to finishing off acquisition for Alaska. There are a couple little patches we need to clean up yet, but, 19 00:02:36.380 --> 00:02:39.330 Steve Aichele - USGS: real close to finishing Alaska acquisition. 20 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:52.779 Steve Aichele - USGS: the, data collaboration announcement, DCA, is still in various reviews. We're hoping to have that out, mid-October, but 21 00:02:53.250 --> 00:02:55.799 Steve Aichele - USGS: You know, we'll see when it gets approved. 22 00:02:56.210 --> 00:03:04.519 Steve Aichele - USGS: And then finally, the Q4 release, we'll have a service update, actually, some of it's up even now, if you want to go poke at it. 23 00:03:04.550 --> 00:03:12.050 Steve Aichele - USGS: But we'll have a formal rollout, at the Hydro Community Call on October 27th, the same 1 o'clock time frame. 24 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:28.490 Steve Aichele - USGS: A big addition there is a spatial metadata layer. People have been, you know, asking about how you can tell where there's new data. That'll allow you to both find the new data, get some metadata about the project, the EDH project, and also link through to 25 00:03:28.490 --> 00:03:34.140 Steve Aichele - USGS: the source, LiDAR projects that were used to create the EDH. 26 00:03:34.190 --> 00:03:38.139 Steve Aichele - USGS: Also, some updates to the flow network derivatives. 27 00:03:38.190 --> 00:03:51.459 Steve Aichele - USGS: I will caution or manage expectations here that there will not be new geometry rolled out in the Q4 release. One of the things that we've been doing is trying to increase our production capacity. 28 00:03:51.470 --> 00:04:03.469 Steve Aichele - USGS: And part of that was basically taking our very small, production team offline for a good chunk of August to train new people to do production work. 29 00:04:03.580 --> 00:04:22.629 Steve Aichele - USGS: So we have, we've expanded that team to about 16 people now. We don't have all of them all the time, but we have access to them. So we've significantly expanded that team, and expect to see a lot more data come out, in the Q1 release, in late December. 30 00:04:22.810 --> 00:04:32.410 Steve Aichele - USGS: And then also, I'll mention the Hydraad 3D, actually getting a lot of traffic from a few users, and that API, is 31 00:04:32.530 --> 00:04:43.609 Steve Aichele - USGS: actually maybe not keeping up with demand. We have a number of people hitting it pretty hard, so we're gonna push that into, our Amazon cloud, expect that to happen 32 00:04:43.830 --> 00:04:48.309 Steve Aichele - USGS: maybe by the October call, but, certainly in Q1. 33 00:04:49.850 --> 00:04:55.100 Steve Aichele - USGS: And I guess with that, I can stop and, you know, field a question or two, or we can move on. 34 00:05:00.380 --> 00:05:02.499 Lynda Wayne: Any questions for USGS? 35 00:05:06.100 --> 00:05:11.369 Lynda Wayne: Well, feel free to jump in at any time, and we'll get to those. Thank you, Steve. 36 00:05:11.370 --> 00:05:12.100 Steve Aichele - USGS: Sure enough. 37 00:05:17.910 --> 00:05:31.910 Lynda Wayne: So, since we had a brief hiatus in the project, and we've got a lot of new people on, I always just wanted to keep this slide in here for a while, saying, you know, that 3DHP for the nation is a cooperative agreement between NSGIC and USGS, 38 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:38.109 Lynda Wayne: And the idea is that NSGIC can facilitate USGS in enlisting stakeholders, 39 00:05:38.190 --> 00:05:43.969 Lynda Wayne: We want to work to… not seeing the slides. Are you… are the slides up, folks? 40 00:05:44.260 --> 00:05:45.780 Lynda Wayne: It shows I'm sharing. 41 00:05:45.780 --> 00:05:47.030 Philip Worrall: Yep, I can see him. 42 00:05:47.030 --> 00:05:47.960 Steve Aichele - USGS: I've seen him. 43 00:05:48.500 --> 00:05:49.440 Lynda Wayne: Janet! 44 00:05:49.950 --> 00:05:51.420 Lynda Wayne: Just making trouble. 45 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:57.369 Lynda Wayne: Maybe you're on a delay. 46 00:05:57.640 --> 00:06:00.819 Lynda Wayne: But they've been up for a while, so it's probably not a delay. 47 00:06:01.450 --> 00:06:17.020 Lynda Wayne: Anyhow, the project purpose is to enlist stakeholders, work on consistency, and basically expand the utility of the national hydrography data products. Our basic project objectives are to increase knowledge. 48 00:06:17.020 --> 00:06:26.649 Lynda Wayne: via projects like this, outreach and dialogue. We want to support statewide 3DHB planning, implementation, we develop guidance and education. 49 00:06:26.650 --> 00:06:34.469 Lynda Wayne: And again, engage those stakeholders in developing the strategies, the best practices, the resources, and we're going to talk a little bit about that 50 00:06:34.540 --> 00:06:36.129 Lynda Wayne: Coming up. 51 00:06:37.470 --> 00:06:49.949 Lynda Wayne: I'm gonna run through some NSGIC project activities since our last meeting, and I put this note in here. If there's anything in here that is of interest to you, we would love you to join the effort. So if you're like, oh my gosh, I'd love to work on the Hub. 52 00:06:50.200 --> 00:06:58.330 Lynda Wayne: Contact me, and we will put you to work. We had… I know, Phil. 53 00:06:58.550 --> 00:07:04.490 Lynda Wayne: We have, updated basic information, and we're coordinating with 3DEP FTN 54 00:07:04.510 --> 00:07:13.179 Lynda Wayne: We're trying to align the hubs, and also to better integrate the hubs with the NSGIC website, and take advantage of the NSGIC website. 55 00:07:13.180 --> 00:07:25.230 Lynda Wayne: And so our… overall, our objective is just to improve your access to information so that you know where to go and find resources. And we've got a game plan, I'm working with Jordan, we've got a game plan, and we're just moving through that. 56 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.519 Lynda Wayne: We also are actively looking to expand state 57 00:07:29.950 --> 00:07:37.500 Lynda Wayne: 3DHP acquisition and use, we've sort of run a little assessment on state participation in both the USGS and the NSGIC projects. 58 00:07:37.620 --> 00:07:51.399 Lynda Wayne: And we have identified, challenges to some states in participating, and I'm working again with Jordan, we, and USGS. We're going to begin, outreach coordination, 59 00:07:52.290 --> 00:08:07.090 Lynda Wayne: together as 3DNTM. So, if you're on this meeting, you're probably not going to hear from us, but there will be some states… actually, I see a couple of states that are on our list, so never mind. We, don't be… we hope you'll hear from us soon. 60 00:08:07.960 --> 00:08:10.349 Lynda Wayne: And if you have any questions. 61 00:08:10.590 --> 00:08:14.229 Lynda Wayne: Link to the hub, sure, I can go get that. 62 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:18.390 Lynda Wayne: Jane has asked for a link to the hub. 63 00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:41.379 Lynda Wayne: Alright, there you go. Thank you for your interest. 64 00:08:47.870 --> 00:08:52.390 Lynda Wayne: Alright, one of the things we do through stakeholder engagement is that we, 65 00:08:52.520 --> 00:09:00.890 Lynda Wayne: are these meetings, and it's a little different this year. We're still meeting the fourth Tuesday each month at 1pm Eastern. 66 00:09:01.020 --> 00:09:13.330 Lynda Wayne: But because we have so many different groups that are sort of overlapping on topics, and oh, let's just… Steve can only talk so much, right? We can only put him to work so much. We have… 67 00:09:13.400 --> 00:09:26.900 Lynda Wayne: organized with both the NSGIC State Hydrography community and the USGS Hydrography community, so that all of our calls fall on the same day, but only one of these calls will occur in any month. So, 68 00:09:27.350 --> 00:09:33.750 Lynda Wayne: I will pop that schedule, if you want to grab it, I'll pop that schedule into the notes as well. 69 00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:54.149 Lynda Wayne: So you can grab it, but… and if you ever have questions or comments, or questions about meeting schedules and stuff, you can always reach out to me, and we hope to keep the… and we try to keep people, informed through the H… the 3DHP FTN Interest Group, NSGIC community. 70 00:09:55.740 --> 00:10:02.420 Lynda Wayne: If you're not a member of one of these communities, again, there are links there how you can join and participate in those communities. 71 00:10:07.900 --> 00:10:18.890 Lynda Wayne: Promote the use of 3DHP data in applications. Well, I hope you'll join us in Bozeman in November. You've probably seen we are holding a 3D NTM happy hour. 72 00:10:19.210 --> 00:10:27.769 Lynda Wayne: That'll be Thursday morning, November 5th. Yes, it's 7 a.m, but you're NSGICers, I know you'll be there. And unfortunately, our… 73 00:10:28.130 --> 00:10:34.220 Lynda Wayne: Our happy hour will be coffee. You can bring your own, spikes if you want to, but… 74 00:10:34.590 --> 00:10:49.680 Lynda Wayne: It's gonna be a science fair style setup, where we'll have 3D… 3DEP and 3DHP software applications, as well as data applications, and it is open to all. We've not heard much from the, 75 00:10:50.490 --> 00:11:07.090 Lynda Wayne: the business partners, we'd love to see you there, we'd love to see you present. We've got some state presenters set up, so again, if you're just interested in sitting down with your laptop and showing people what you're doing with 3DEP, or 3DHP, or Hydro, or elevation data in general. 76 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:10.600 Lynda Wayne: You're welcome to come and join us and present. 77 00:11:10.640 --> 00:11:17.199 Lynda Wayne: You get to see 3D NTM data in action, have your breakfast, and yes, there will be prizes, so… 78 00:11:17.330 --> 00:11:23.229 Lynda Wayne: Please try and join us. If you're interested in participating, just drop me a line and we'll get you… we'll get you on the list. 79 00:11:23.880 --> 00:11:40.299 Lynda Wayne: We have talked about a possible, and I will put possible mid-year 3D NTM implementation workshop. We've talked to the conference committee, and they said maybe, so that would be February 20… sometime during that February 27th week, and 80 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.230 Lynda Wayne: Mark, you don't want me saying that? 81 00:11:48.030 --> 00:11:49.649 Lynda Wayne: Somebody just groaned. 82 00:11:50.950 --> 00:11:54.250 Lynda Wayne: I assumed it was Mark, the conference committee. 83 00:11:54.850 --> 00:12:01.869 Lynda Wayne: Okay, anyhow, we'll keep you posted as plans develop or fall apart for that activity. 84 00:12:05.300 --> 00:12:20.200 Lynda Wayne: So, we want to… in… under supporting state 3DHP planning implementation, most of you are aware we've developed a 3DHP Education Materials Registry, and the idea there is we want to document existing 3DHP hydrography, elevation, 85 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:28.439 Lynda Wayne: 3DHP and hydrography education materials. We want to document suggested topics for the development of materials. 86 00:12:28.460 --> 00:12:39.009 Lynda Wayne: And it's going to operate as a living resource. So it is out there, it's published. I'm going to put the link in… we're going to look at it real fast, but I can… I'll put the link in the chat. 87 00:12:39.650 --> 00:12:42.830 Lynda Wayne: Where you can, go play with it yourself. 88 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:56.930 Lynda Wayne: We have 15 documented existing resources, 8 documented suggested topics. We were actually able to pair some of those suggested topics to existing resources. 89 00:12:57.160 --> 00:13:11.510 Lynda Wayne: And we've developed, based on what you've provided, we developed, some categories you'll see here to the right. And these may change, fluctuate, grow as we get additional materials, but this just kind of gives you an idea of the scope of content we've got. 90 00:13:11.820 --> 00:13:28.310 Lynda Wayne: Our next steps are to, some of these documented resources above are actually sort of landing pages for a collection of resources, and so our effort would be to go in there and sort of document the individual resources versus just taking you to the landing page. 91 00:13:28.640 --> 00:13:29.660 Lynda Wayne: And… 92 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:42.639 Lynda Wayne: get you guys to put in, what you're doing, your resources. I took a sneak peek at what Minnesota's going to be talking about today, so I know they're busy developing some educational resources as well. 93 00:13:43.130 --> 00:13:51.450 Lynda Wayne: So just put a note down, it's early in the week, go in and add your content this week, and we will, 94 00:13:51.740 --> 00:13:55.550 Lynda Wayne: Love to have it in there. Again, A Living Resources, please check it out. 95 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:11.879 Lynda Wayne: And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Frank Nelson. Frank is the Wetlands Coordinator for the Missouri Department of Conservation, and he is going to talk about what they are doing with hydrography data. 96 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:18.440 Frank Nelson: Excellent. I, have sent a request to share my screen. 97 00:14:20.900 --> 00:14:22.770 Lynda Wayne: And the request was granted. 98 00:14:23.050 --> 00:14:24.719 Frank Nelson: Alright, can you see my screen? 99 00:14:25.110 --> 00:14:27.019 Lynda Wayne: Not quite yet, might take a minute. 100 00:14:27.420 --> 00:14:28.330 Frank Nelson: Alright. 101 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:31.620 Frank Nelson: How about now? 102 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:33.450 Lynda Wayne: It's coming! 103 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:36.460 Lynda Wayne: There you are. 104 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:38.210 Frank Nelson: Alright, excellent. 105 00:14:38.930 --> 00:14:44.860 Frank Nelson: Well, thanks for having me present today, and I'm gonna start my stopwatch here. 106 00:14:45.080 --> 00:15:01.819 Frank Nelson: So, essentially, I'm just going to give you an idea of how we're trying to pursue water GIS layers in Missouri. I'm the wetland coordinator for MDC, and so I am not your typical hydrography person, I'll admit that, and I want to just say thank you to those 107 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:09.689 Frank Nelson: That have helped me along this journey. There's a broader team of MDC staff and partners that are engaged in making this possible. 108 00:15:10.630 --> 00:15:21.430 Frank Nelson: So, just to give you an idea of where I'm headed today, a brief backdrop on Missouri's wetland and riverine systems, agency activities over the past 6 years leading to our EDH. 109 00:15:21.520 --> 00:15:36.509 Frank Nelson: Some benefits, that we're seeing with EDH development, and that's, of course, my wetland coordinator lens. It's gonna spill over into some other applications, like NWI, and I'm going to finish off with, kind of estimates of saving professionals time. 110 00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:50.920 Frank Nelson: So, when I think about wetlands, I have to think about the watersheds that they exist in, and so you can't think about Missouri and the different landscapes without thinking about the various watersheds and the floodplains 111 00:15:50.920 --> 00:16:00.839 Frank Nelson: that are shaped within those. And so, essentially, our wetlands are intricately connected to the rivers and the waters around them. 112 00:16:01.690 --> 00:16:12.210 Frank Nelson: Unfortunately, there's a legacy of compartmentalization and alterations. We typically think of our natural systems on one side, and then our built systems on the other side. 113 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:29.819 Frank Nelson: And unfortunately, that's led to 90% wetland loss, as we continue to increase the amount of infrastructure, whether that be the dams, roads, or levees. And so, that in itself has also impacted, you know, and modified our stream systems. 114 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:49.430 Frank Nelson: Unfortunately, one of the repercussions of that is problematic outcomes, such as natural disasters, which translates into increased costs and damages. And when you look at the cost for severe storms and flooding, it's literally billions of dollars on an annual basis. 115 00:16:50.370 --> 00:17:05.669 Frank Nelson: So, how do we kind of, like, wrestle with this? I would suggest using digital GIS twins of the physical environment. So, thinking about our gray infrastructure as well as the natural environments, or blue-green infrastructure. 116 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:13.020 Frank Nelson: We can utilize GIS to help us with monitoring, modeling scenarios, communicating, and informing decisions. 117 00:17:13.690 --> 00:17:26.710 Frank Nelson: Unfortunately, our digital GIS infrastructure, when it comes to NHD and NWI in Missouri, we have to use some pretty big caveats. And so, back in 2020, we kind of hit a wall and was like, hey. 118 00:17:26.710 --> 00:17:32.239 Frank Nelson: We need to do something. And so, internally, as well as externally, began having the discussions. 119 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:50.949 Frank Nelson: Now, for me, I said, hey, are you guys interested in updating NWI? And what I heard back also from my stream counterparts were, hey, our streams need updating as well. And so, we've continued to have these broad discussions along with other partners along the way about updating our 120 00:17:51.280 --> 00:17:55.209 Frank Nelson: wetland and stream GIS data sets. 121 00:17:55.290 --> 00:18:13.590 Frank Nelson: And one of the things we did was just kind of asking, what are you using these different data sets for? Using NHD as well as NWI. And, you know, there's a wide range of applications, of course, and that really tracked Missouri's interest, tracked with what the USGS hydro benefits study said. 122 00:18:13.590 --> 00:18:18.400 Frank Nelson: Basically, there's a wide range of uses across sectors, for this information. 123 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:32.050 Frank Nelson: Also, kind of, were… did some external vetting with the Missouri GIS Advisory Council. You know, they said, hey, it's a great idea, however, we don't have necessarily, power or budget. 124 00:18:32.050 --> 00:18:49.410 Frank Nelson: This group basically doesn't have a… we don't have a GIO for the state, and so it's… there's not a dedicated amount of funding, but what we do have is, you know, good personal relationships and ability to try to take advantage of emerging opportunities. 125 00:18:50.090 --> 00:19:05.870 Frank Nelson: And so, we kind of laid the groundwork of, hey, let's first acquire base layers, such as LIDAR and leaf-off imagery, then let's pursue the hydrography, then follow in on the back end there with updating NWI. 126 00:19:06.330 --> 00:19:19.790 Frank Nelson: And so that's what we've done. Within the partners of Missouri GIS Advisory Council, over 3 years, we were, acquiring imagery, and used a variety of different partners, to fund that. 127 00:19:20.330 --> 00:19:38.409 Frank Nelson: And then, with LIDAR acquisition, we've filled in the gaps that we once had, and now we're filling in data that's 7 years or older, and, are continuing to acquire more LiDAR in future years. And so, really appreciate, the different entities that have helped with that. 128 00:19:39.540 --> 00:19:55.410 Frank Nelson: And then, we've been updating EDH. So, we've leveraged DCAs, we've been successful, we've also haven't in a couple years, or one year, and so, but this has also been helpful, in terms of kind of moving forward. 129 00:19:55.420 --> 00:20:03.839 Frank Nelson: And with NWI, we've had some partners also be able to fund certain sections of Missouri, and then MDC is funding other sections. 130 00:20:04.230 --> 00:20:16.260 Frank Nelson: For partners that haven't necessarily contributed funds, we've also had an advisory council when it comes to updating these data sets where they can participate, and help review the data as it's being 131 00:20:16.260 --> 00:20:30.119 Frank Nelson: Developed, so looking for open water bodies, culverts, and flow paths, ditches, and stream sections. And so, really appreciate, people staying plugged in and interested as we have gone through this process. 132 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:35.529 Frank Nelson: We are in the ingestion process, with the data that we have developed. 133 00:20:35.660 --> 00:20:54.390 Frank Nelson: We jumped in early, and so some of our watersheds fall outside of a DCA, so there's not necessarily a clear path forward there. We're open for suggestions, and as some of you may know, the ingestion process is rather involved, and it does take time, and so we're just kind of chipping away through that. 134 00:20:54.830 --> 00:21:13.109 Frank Nelson: slowly but surely, we're making progress. We've now focused efforts across half of the state. Budgets have been slowing our pace this fiscal year. We're in Northeast Missouri. Also, we're taking a slightly different approach, and USGS is going to take the lead with this DCA. 135 00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:32.749 Frank Nelson: Also, been trying to just keep people informed, so I kind of have an open invite. I try to update a two-page briefing document, providing background justification, progress to date, and a continued call for interest and collaboration, and so this… I send this out to a wide range of state and federal partners. 136 00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:49.099 Frank Nelson: And so, what do we have? Well, when comparing the old data versus the new, you see a wide range of things. The addition of ponds, pond connectors, added culverts, elevation and form channels, as well as headwater streams. 137 00:21:49.420 --> 00:21:58.049 Frank Nelson: And so, from the macro scale, you know, it looks, different as well, with the addition of headwater streams, with the EDH. 138 00:21:59.100 --> 00:22:10.189 Frank Nelson: And so, when you kind of look at it in terms of stream density, the network itself has really increased. It was, you know, 3.5 times that of what NHD was. 139 00:22:10.490 --> 00:22:23.370 Frank Nelson: This is a small watershed, with some headwater streams, and it just shows you the extent of open water bodies and headwater streams that have been added, with the EDH development. 140 00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:37.730 Frank Nelson: When you just think about… we don't have… a lot of EDH provides data sets that we didn't have previously, so just thinking about the addition of small water bodies, that has me thinking about thinking model connectivity and metapopulations of herptiles. 141 00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:54.139 Frank Nelson: The folks that… with the Southeast Aquatic Resource Partnership, thinking about fish and aquatic passages, have also thought about using EDH, and so the handy thing there is the dams and road-related barriers, within a network. 142 00:22:54.240 --> 00:23:05.900 Frank Nelson: And so they've started to, play with the data there as well, thinking about how we can use this to quantify additional fragmentation, along the stream networks. 143 00:23:06.010 --> 00:23:17.819 Frank Nelson: Also, the, you know, thinking about culverts and county roads, the different channel characteristics and the number of crossings, and how that impacts, you know, fish passage. 144 00:23:18.950 --> 00:23:32.129 Frank Nelson: And then this has helped us also in terms of communication. When our staff work with county stream crossing workshops, this is basically a starting point for discussions to talk about road crossings and maintenance. 145 00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:53.129 Frank Nelson: We're also tying this into terrestrial research. MOFEP is the Missouri Ozark Forest Ecosystem Project. It's supposed to be… we're 30 years into a 100-year project, and we've expanded the protocols to monitor timber harvest impacts to aquatic systems and water quality, now that we have this data. 146 00:23:54.620 --> 00:24:09.520 Frank Nelson: And then, you know, linking the EDH to thinking about riparian forest cover and those, you know, best management practices, we can, partner that with, LIDAR and think about where we have forest and where do we not, so that, 147 00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:18.140 Frank Nelson: Then we can also kind of run statistics, our fisheries biologists, so that they can figure out, okay, which watersheds do we need to focus on, for those kinds of, 148 00:24:18.450 --> 00:24:20.100 Frank Nelson: Landowner practices. 149 00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:27.649 Frank Nelson: And we're plugging that kind of information in, so riparian buffers, into a landscape health index. 150 00:24:27.730 --> 00:24:42.180 Frank Nelson: In priority geographies, because that's a strong indicator of ecosystem health. And so, the plan is, over time, to be able to track how we're moving the needle and improving, essentially, water quality, in certain landscapes. 151 00:24:44.130 --> 00:25:00.889 Frank Nelson: And like I said, you know, these headwater streams aren't places that we can map with anything else, and so this is another opportunity to identify locations that could benefit from grass waterways, cover crops, or no-till practices that, you know, previously we couldn't get a handle on. 152 00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:17.940 Frank Nelson: And so, EDH really, for me, is a springboard into NWI+. And so, using the digital elevation models to build that stream network, you can use other LiDAR derivatives, such as a geomorphon index, to then generate that stream network itself. 153 00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:35.300 Frank Nelson: Which is essentially EDH. And then when you pair that with the imagery to then classify and look for those adjacent habitats, that's how, essentially, we kind of get that, NWI that can be paired with the EDH, or it can be stripped out and looked, you know, in isolation. 154 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:45.180 Frank Nelson: And so, for me, it's not just EDH and NWI, but it's really the complementary layers that you get through this GIS production. 155 00:25:46.920 --> 00:26:01.669 Frank Nelson: And I mentioned, you know, at the beginning, we have a modified aquatic system, and so thinking about, you know, the built landscape with the natural landscape, this is one way to do that, and quite honestly, look at a wide range of pond types across Missouri. 156 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:08.749 Frank Nelson: So, when we did the NWI update, you know, ponds aren't… it doesn't take up a whole lot of space. 157 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:20.069 Frank Nelson: However, also, just a little note here, too, for ponds that were beyond the NWI standard, we just copy and pasted what we had for the open water bodies with EDH. 158 00:26:20.810 --> 00:26:26.930 Frank Nelson: When you look at the actual numbers, there are a ton of ponds, just in this, this area alone. 159 00:26:27.540 --> 00:26:35.980 Frank Nelson: And when you start to look at the landscape position of those in certain locations, some ponds are a little more frequent in certain parts of the state than others. 160 00:26:36.250 --> 00:26:46.449 Frank Nelson: And also, they fall in the upland settings. And when I mentioned before, thinking about wetlands and floodplains, that's not exactly where I've been focused in the past. 161 00:26:46.590 --> 00:27:03.440 Frank Nelson: And so, this got me started to think about pond conservation considerations. How can I go from point A to point B in thinking about alternate watering strategies? Perhaps also we've lost a lot of aquatic plants, so perhaps ponds provide a unique niche that we hadn't thought about in the past. 162 00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:16.020 Frank Nelson: And landscape setting is vital and important when we're thinking about ecosystem functions and NWI+. And so this is one way to get at, you know, the differences between upland 163 00:27:16.020 --> 00:27:31.279 Frank Nelson: setting versus a floodplain setting, and that… how those different functions occur. So, thinking about a riverine setting, NWI Plus actually allows you to kind of think about where are those locations that are contributing to streamflow maintenance. 164 00:27:31.650 --> 00:27:36.849 Frank Nelson: Which are different than those locations that may be, higher for flood damage reduction. 165 00:27:37.590 --> 00:27:43.650 Frank Nelson: Or thinking about cycling nutrients and denitrification, such as those upland pond locations. 166 00:27:45.010 --> 00:27:54.009 Frank Nelson: And then, also, thinking about, you know, where can we restore wetlands, perhaps? You may have some fluvial features in, you know, places where you think. 167 00:27:54.050 --> 00:28:05.920 Frank Nelson: But then there's also, some opportunities to kind of look at where infrastructure is impacting and maybe becoming a bottleneck during rain events, and therefore compromising, infrastructure. 168 00:28:07.020 --> 00:28:19.650 Frank Nelson: There's a recent paper that focuses on resilient and connected biodiversity networks, and I came across this, and I thought it was great, because it kind of highlights the big buckets of, hey, in the Ozarks, we really need to protect the resilient streams. 169 00:28:19.800 --> 00:28:34.760 Frank Nelson: The Missouri and Mississippi rivers is really where we're focused on flows. There's other watersheds where restoring conditions or reconnecting should be really important. And I think EDH can be a crucial lens to inform those local decisions. 170 00:28:36.490 --> 00:28:42.969 Frank Nelson: And then finally, thinking about time savings. As we've kind of gone through this over the last 6 years, thinking about the different caveats. 171 00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:44.420 Frank Nelson: And, 172 00:28:44.570 --> 00:28:54.029 Frank Nelson: of how this data is going to be improving. In the past, you know, maybe validation, work would be helpful if I was like, oh, this is fairly trustworthy. 173 00:28:54.030 --> 00:29:04.930 Frank Nelson: But other projects, I did a whole lot of manually digitizing, and so having this dataset now is more plug-and-play. It may save me 7 hours. 174 00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:09.670 Frank Nelson: Whereas in the past, I would have just maybe start from scratch, because I'm like, I can't trust the old stuff. 175 00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:27.550 Frank Nelson: And so that may have saved me 18 hours. When I started thinking about the different projects across the agency, I came up with, you know, 600 projects per year, so between 1 to 5 full-time employees is essentially what the savings could be from these new data sets. 176 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:41.800 Frank Nelson: And so, just to kind of give you where I got the 600 plans per year, it doesn't even cover, you know, the different research projects, realty assessments, and stream crossings, and public use that, you know, also go on within our agency. 177 00:29:42.370 --> 00:29:45.899 Frank Nelson: So, this frees people up to use the data and take action. 178 00:29:46.550 --> 00:29:57.649 Frank Nelson: So we've got a lot of extreme flooding, it seems like, that's on the horizon that has a risk to infrastructure. And, so using this data as a way to, 179 00:29:58.040 --> 00:29:58.930 jw.jones: Oh, man. 180 00:29:58.930 --> 00:30:01.950 Frank Nelson: Protect our investments and save on future damages. 181 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:07.969 Frank Nelson: I've highlighted how better resolution and accuracy can be used for a range of different applications. 182 00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:08.610 jw.jones: Fuck, dude. 183 00:30:08.610 --> 00:30:18.180 Frank Nelson: And then even our… our opportunity for research, management, and restoration, I think is improved, by having these data sets on hand. 184 00:30:18.860 --> 00:30:27.300 Lynda Wayne: Frank, I'm gonna interrupt you for a second. If you're not speaking, could you please mute your device? We're hearing some voices in the background. Thanks. 185 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:32.709 Frank Nelson: And essentially, wrapping up, you know, where water exists is essential to our mission. 186 00:30:32.970 --> 00:30:40.370 Frank Nelson: And having up-to-date GIS layers not only saves our time, but also makes us better at integrating natural and built landscapes. 187 00:30:40.780 --> 00:30:53.620 Frank Nelson: And so, it's been a long road, there's a few curves along the way, but definitely a worthwhile process, and I appreciate the people that have helped make it happen, and quite honestly, also contributed to these slides. So, that's… that's what I have today. 188 00:30:58.150 --> 00:30:59.879 Frank Nelson: Nope, Lynda, you're muted. 189 00:31:00.030 --> 00:31:03.669 Lynda Wayne: And I put my… turned on my video and turned off my… 190 00:31:04.050 --> 00:31:08.280 Lynda Wayne: Awesome. Okay, great. Thank you so much, appreciate it. 191 00:31:08.810 --> 00:31:20.059 Lynda Wayne: I think looking at how these datasets are integrating is really key to their applicability, and as you said, the layer… the overlapping information that you're getting is creating new information. 192 00:31:20.060 --> 00:31:31.339 Lynda Wayne: I'm gonna go ahead, thank those of you that put questions in the chat. I'll go ahead and read the question to Frank, and then if you did the question and you want to follow up with him, just come off of mute. 193 00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:35.649 Lynda Wayne: And, you can follow up with him. But Frank, the first question from Sean. 194 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:44.209 Lynda Wayne: In Minnesota is, what was the state LIDAR 3DEP certified? Oh, was the… 195 00:31:44.330 --> 00:31:50.850 Lynda Wayne: I think he means, was the LIDAR data 3DEP certified? And if so, what was your QL level? 196 00:31:51.690 --> 00:31:56.800 Frank Nelson: Yeah, we've been, tied in with the 3-Dep program, and so I think… 197 00:31:56.970 --> 00:32:00.459 Frank Nelson: We… everything that's approved is at the QL2 level. 198 00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:06.469 Frank Nelson: And so, as the standards are increasing, yeah, we're kind of following suit. 199 00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:12.090 Lynda Wayne: And again, Sean, if you want to follow up, just… Come off. 200 00:32:12.090 --> 00:32:15.200 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Yeah, I'm off mute. How's my audio, Lynda? 201 00:32:15.350 --> 00:32:16.070 Lynda Wayne: You're good. 202 00:32:16.230 --> 00:32:20.730 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Very good. Sorry for the snafu and the grammar in the chat there. Hey, Frank, 203 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:27.350 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Quality Level 2, 1 meter, product, then, for the DigitalOvation model. 204 00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:36.579 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): such a strong movement across the nation going towards quality… quality level one, going for a half meter. Any benefit in your… 205 00:32:36.820 --> 00:32:43.949 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Experience for having the higher detailed resolution, To benefit your, your work. 206 00:32:44.590 --> 00:32:49.490 Frank Nelson: Yeah, I think, it's… it's one of those… 207 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.240 Frank Nelson: Better resolutions, you know, you're always trying to go for finer resolution. 208 00:32:55.620 --> 00:32:59.829 Frank Nelson: We've been looking at it also from a vegetation layer. 209 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:08.360 Frank Nelson: Of looking at forest structure and that sort of thing. So I think it depends a little bit on the application. 210 00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:11.740 Frank Nelson: For the most part, in terms of 211 00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:15.870 Frank Nelson: You know, the amount of relief that we're… we're dealing with. 212 00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:25.350 Frank Nelson: out here, the QL2 is adequate to get at what we have. It is definitely better than what was there previously. I mean, some of that data was from 213 00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:37.949 Frank Nelson: That is 60 years old, and so, just… I don't have a good comparison, I guess, of… of that next degree of going even finer, but, 214 00:33:38.730 --> 00:33:41.260 Frank Nelson: It depends on the application, I think. 215 00:33:41.500 --> 00:33:50.020 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): No, I appreciate the response, and, you know, from our perspective, Minnesota, we have statewide quality level 1, seamless 1.5 meter DEM, 216 00:33:50.350 --> 00:34:04.309 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): What goes along with this is something that I'm dealing with a little bit periodically, is when I encounter opportunities to seek funding and support for funding support for driving hydraulic from LiDAR, folks will meet… say to me, hey. 217 00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:21.020 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Are you gonna come back to us in 5 or 10 years and tell us we need new LIDAR that's of greater accuracy? And my response nowadays is no. See, for years, I told everybody we need better, more accurate, more detailed data. Been saying that for 20 years. Now we have quality level 1, 1 half meter. 218 00:34:21.020 --> 00:34:26.609 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): now my outreach and marketing campaigns say, no, I'm not gonna come to you in 5 years. 219 00:34:26.670 --> 00:34:44.040 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): and say we need new, more accurate LIDAR. We might need to update our LiDAR data. Right. But I can't imagine we're going to need a quarter of a meter of LIDAR data to create hydrography, yet I'm a very strong advocate for working with the highest resolution data that you have. 220 00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:44.360 Frank Nelson: Right. 221 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.129 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): goes a little bit against 3DHP and the one 222 00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:57.759 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): in the 1 meter model. So I don't want to carry this conversation much farther. I just threw this out there as, my comments about, funding partners always thinking we're going to come knocking on their door. 223 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.300 Frank Nelson: Just joking. 224 00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:08.720 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): higher and better data, when sometimes we do get to a point where what we have is good enough, and Minnesota's sitting at the 1.5 meter quality level one certified data. 225 00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:23.410 Frank Nelson: Yeah, that re… the, we've had similar questions about the updates, too. Like, you know, do we have a cycle, a repeat cycle, or what would that look like when you might need to update? You know, is it after a big flood event? 226 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:33.570 Frank Nelson: You know, where, yeah, the topography's gonna change in certain locations. So, and that's what's a little challenging with the fact that we don't have 227 00:35:34.580 --> 00:35:39.069 Frank Nelson: We're… we're a bunch of organizations that are working together, but there's… it's not a set 228 00:35:40.340 --> 00:35:57.150 Frank Nelson: agency or GIO that's really prioritizing things, so we're trying to figure that out, and, you know, folks, when we're asking for a lot of money, those questions are like, well, are you coming back here in a few years? So, yeah, for sure, it's a struggle. 229 00:35:58.270 --> 00:36:04.000 Lynda Wayne: Since Sean has already got his mute button off, do you want to go ahead and ask your next question? 230 00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:09.690 Lynda Wayne: About the increase in, EDH compared to NHD? 231 00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:20.439 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Yeah, thank you, Lynda. That slide kind of made me perk up there. When we see presentations about an increase above and beyond what was mapped historically. 232 00:36:20.740 --> 00:36:32.110 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): As we go around the country or hear people talk, we experience different thresholds, different means of determining how far into the landscape, how far into 233 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:46.940 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): the, getting to the point where concentrated flow starts to form on the landscape. So I'm going to stop there, that's what I was asking about. Frank, any insight to what your determinations were for, getting to that 3-point, increase, then, over NHD? 234 00:36:46.940 --> 00:36:55.600 Frank Nelson: Yeah, it was, kind of a channel delineation. Right. That's what we were utilizing, essentially, so, in locations where we had a defined channel. 235 00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:15.060 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): And so, you know, is that a bed and bank criteria, or what sort of… what did you use to determine that? Because LiDAR, from how I describe it to people, is LIDAR maps the water conveyance features on Earth's landscape. It doesn't map the water unless, you know, I'm not going to go down that path on how it can. Right. But for the most part, you're mapping some element of a… 236 00:37:15.060 --> 00:37:22.350 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): of erosion when it's, like, an ephemeral product where there's not water in it. Those are very hydrologically significant features. We want to map them. 237 00:37:22.600 --> 00:37:26.939 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): But where do you begin or stop, or how did you do that for the state of Missouri and your. 238 00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:41.039 Frank Nelson: Yeah, I'd have to probably defer to our contractors, but my understanding was really, we really leaned heavily on the geomorphon index, and so that… that delineation of that break of the, of the channel itself 239 00:37:41.150 --> 00:37:43.600 Frank Nelson: I believe there were some, you know. 240 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:54.639 Frank Nelson: accumulation thresholds in terms of what might be, you know, the minimum catchment, for that. But, that's my general understanding of it, if that helps. 241 00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:57.429 Sean Vaughn (MN 3DGeo): Alright, I'll stop there, thank you. 242 00:37:57.680 --> 00:38:00.230 Frank Nelson: And also, I mean, it… 243 00:38:00.600 --> 00:38:12.760 Frank Nelson: really, so, in the Ozarks, where we started this, and elsewhere, it's kind of those… those headwater streams, those areas where, like you said, they're erosional features, they're typically, 244 00:38:13.330 --> 00:38:18.870 Frank Nelson: Ephemeral, and dry, but, we'll definitely be channelizing, 245 00:38:19.160 --> 00:38:28.279 Frank Nelson: water as, you know, during rain events and that sort of thing. So, I think we have no other way to capture those across the landscape, and so… 246 00:38:28.460 --> 00:38:37.239 Frank Nelson: In terms of thinking about ecological flow, not just regulatory blue lines or, you know, it's all up in the air right now. It's… 247 00:38:37.750 --> 00:38:42.689 Frank Nelson: those are important features, that we now have mapped, I think, and so that it's a very… 248 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.380 Frank Nelson: High level of utility across sectors. 249 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:51.240 Lynda Wayne: Thanks, Frank. Shelby from Kentucky. 250 00:38:51.340 --> 00:38:58.999 Lynda Wayne: I was asking, are there drainage area sizes assigned to the newly delineated streams? 251 00:39:00.620 --> 00:39:06.369 Frank Nelson: I think that's one of those other areas in terms of the attributes. You know, we're working with 252 00:39:06.660 --> 00:39:10.920 Frank Nelson: The, USGS and the, the… 253 00:39:11.370 --> 00:39:17.710 Frank Nelson: data schema there. It's definitely one of those areas that we're interested in. I know our watershed folks 254 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:31.450 Frank Nelson: want to be able to calculate, you know, along those stream sections, what the, you know, drainage area is. That's the area that's accumulating there. So, that's one of those things as we kind of move forward, 255 00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:32.930 Frank Nelson: We're definitely tracking. 256 00:39:35.220 --> 00:39:37.830 Shelby Chasteen (KY Department of Geographic Information): Yeah, thank you, that answers my question. 257 00:39:39.120 --> 00:39:42.580 Lynda Wayne: Thanks, Shelby. Steve, do you have any USGS comments on that? 258 00:39:45.290 --> 00:39:46.650 Steve Aichele - USGS: Just… I… 259 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:53.229 Steve Aichele - USGS: Frank hit it. We will be calculating catchments and drainage areas as the data is processed into 3DHP. 260 00:39:54.120 --> 00:39:55.290 Lynda Wayne: Alright, thanks. 261 00:39:55.430 --> 00:40:10.089 Lynda Wayne: Dennis from Tennessee asked, maybe I missed it, but is the USFWS engaged with your NWI updates? In other words, how are your EDH wetlands updates being integrated into the federal NDWI… NWI? 262 00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:24.299 Frank Nelson: Yeah, no, our wetlands are being updated. I think Fish and Wildlife Service does that twice a year. And so, yes, as that NWI data set's being developed, it's also being ingested. 263 00:40:24.810 --> 00:40:42.249 Frank Nelson: And so, the data that I just showed, from, I guess this October, we're gonna have another batch that comes online, but, the stuff that was produced last year is already available and just becomes part of, the, Fish and Wild Act, you know, the national data set, so… 264 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.870 Frank Nelson: It's exciting stuff that's out there. 265 00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:49.419 Lynda Wayne: understanding correctly, you're… go ahead, Dennis, you follow up. 266 00:40:50.120 --> 00:40:54.340 Dennis Pedersen - TN: So, Frank, yeah, appreciate the answer. So… 267 00:40:55.940 --> 00:41:05.020 Dennis Pedersen - TN: We've had trouble with funding, from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to dedicate, efforts to update 268 00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:08.069 Dennis Pedersen - TN: Tennessee NWI data. 269 00:41:08.550 --> 00:41:10.380 Dennis Pedersen - TN: Can you talk about… 270 00:41:10.570 --> 00:41:15.669 Dennis Pedersen - TN: that element, or that aspect of this? Yeah. Does it sound like you've made some progress on that. 271 00:41:15.930 --> 00:41:31.500 Frank Nelson: Well, like a lot of federal agencies right now, the budgets are pretty slim, and I know Fish and Wildlife Service budgets have been, decreasing over the years, and so there's not a whole lot of capacity to fund NWI, and so… 272 00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:43.659 Frank Nelson: what we were able to do, MD… kind of like what we've done with, the EDH, is we've thrown some money in to, you know, contract that work out, and then Fish and Wildlife Service, 273 00:41:43.660 --> 00:41:58.660 Frank Nelson: participates with us as we kind of develop the data, and then they have their own… just like EDH, and USGS, they have their own QAQC process, and so, they've reviewed the data and then ingested it, as we've gone. 274 00:41:58.720 --> 00:42:12.110 Frank Nelson: Kansas City Water was able to get an EPA grant, and that's how they contracted their NWI update. But same thing, they partnered with Fish and Wildlife Service to review and ingest the data that way. 275 00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:14.129 Frank Nelson: I think it's a matter of… 276 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:28.379 Frank Nelson: finding the funds to actually do the update work. I think they've got a small amount of money that they try to spread out across the country annually, but those are, I mean, tiny little watersheds. 277 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:36.869 Frank Nelson: And sometimes kind of following behind, you know, natural disasters and that sort of thing. So what we're trying to do is follow suit with where we've 278 00:42:37.230 --> 00:42:42.440 Frank Nelson: used… quite honestly, like, a lot of our partners have funded 279 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:58.599 Frank Nelson: the… and other agencies have put in more money on, say, the LiDAR and imagery side of things, and then we've kind of split, on the EDH. MDC has really come to the table there, but also leveraging the DCA, the USGS cost share. And then 280 00:42:58.690 --> 00:43:15.470 Frank Nelson: Where I'm kind of struggling a little bit, though, is kind of meeting the additional requirements for funds for the NWI update. So, kind of as Sean was mentioning, there's always a laundry list of requests for budgets on GIS data, and 281 00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:22.180 Frank Nelson: You know, there's limitations for which… Agencies can't actually contribute, and… 282 00:43:22.430 --> 00:43:28.210 Frank Nelson: We're running into that a little bit, but just looking for those opportunities and synergies where we can kind of keep moving forward. 283 00:43:29.610 --> 00:43:37.879 Lynda Wayne: In the interest of time, I'm gonna, let us address these last three questions in the chat, and Phil, since you had two, I'm gonna let Amy go first. 284 00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:46.660 Lynda Wayne: And then we'll close out with Phil's question. So, Amy from Louisiana, how did you get partners to the table, and what were your state-local funding sources? 285 00:43:47.610 --> 00:43:49.870 Frank Nelson: Yeah, so, basically. 286 00:43:49.990 --> 00:44:06.570 Frank Nelson: A lot of email blasts, webinars, in-person meetings is kind of how we've engaged and talked with folks. Like I said, also that Missouri GIS Advisory Council, using that as a nexus where a lot of people are tied in already. 287 00:44:06.830 --> 00:44:24.959 Frank Nelson: And just trying to keep touching base with folks and seeing if it's on their radar. If not, where up the chain of command can we kind of talk with folks and see if we can make something happen? And so, as well as kind of trying to link into, you know, federal cost share where possible. 288 00:44:27.390 --> 00:44:29.069 Lynda Wayne: Amy, did you want to follow up at all? 289 00:44:30.340 --> 00:44:32.030 Aimee Preau (LDEQ): No, that's… that's all, thanks. 290 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:42.650 Lynda Wayne: I have to say, Frank, I really like the idea of your living document, that you just keep it out there, and you update it, and add partners, take, you know, things like that. I think that's a great, great approach. 291 00:44:43.120 --> 00:44:46.009 Lynda Wayne: Alright, Mr. Phil Worrell? 292 00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:55.910 Lynda Wayne: independent from Indiana. He asked, have you tried to identify or quantify benefits to county and local governments? Kind of following up on Amy's a bit. 293 00:44:56.060 --> 00:45:15.979 Frank Nelson: Yeah, we haven't gone that far. We've got, I think, 119 counties across the state, and so in terms of reaching out to every single one, we have tried to reach out to, kind of the regional GIS, planners, to kind of get their input and tie them in. 294 00:45:16.060 --> 00:45:18.940 Frank Nelson: So, I am a little bit limited there. 295 00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:23.820 Lynda Wayne: But I think he was asking specifically about the benefits to them. 296 00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:24.560 Frank Nelson: Okay. 297 00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:26.439 Lynda Wayne: Like, something you can market to them? 298 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:38.909 Frank Nelson: Yeah, well, like I said, we are, at the state… at the county level, our watershed folks are really doing that, I think, when they're talking about, like, stream crossings, and so that's another opportunity where 299 00:45:39.230 --> 00:45:48.799 Frank Nelson: Staff other than myself are having those interactions and conversations with county and municipal staff. 300 00:45:50.960 --> 00:46:01.419 Lynda Wayne: Phil, I'll go ahead to your second question, and then you can follow up on both. Phil's next question is, are the wetland features identified and captured at the same time as the EDH features are being developed? 301 00:46:01.910 --> 00:46:10.400 Frank Nelson: No. We've… we've purposely done EDH first, and then we're following in with our NWI contract. That was… 302 00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:21.670 Frank Nelson: from 2020, Herb Burquist from Fish and Wildlife Service said that by doing it that way, you're not double-handling, the data, and so potentially a 25% 303 00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:40.579 Frank Nelson: cost savings, of… so we've tried to be purposeful, where on the flip side, though, we have had some discussions that, in some ways, if we could kind of do it all at the same time, that might be even better. But, that would be an even bigger contract and chunk of change to find, so… 304 00:46:42.660 --> 00:46:45.439 Lynda Wayne: Phil, do you want to follow up on either of those questions? 305 00:46:46.110 --> 00:47:02.120 Philip Worrall: I would on the… on the first one. I'm talk… we're talking about benefit to county and local governments. Have… have you worked at all with, cities and towns and integrating your, EDH into the, 306 00:47:02.270 --> 00:47:04.909 Philip Worrall: Their existing storm sewer networks. 307 00:47:05.190 --> 00:47:26.459 Frank Nelson: Yeah, whenever we do these contracts, my counterpart, Matt Matheny, does a nice job of reaching out to the different municipalities and trying to get that data, whether that be GIS data or even scans of stormwater features. So, yeah, we do try to tie into the local partners that way. 308 00:47:26.560 --> 00:47:28.679 Frank Nelson: Especially for EDH. 309 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:48.360 Frank Nelson: Awesome. And quite honestly, Kansas City water was amazing. We actually kind of repositioned things in our watersheds because we knew they were going to be doing NWI, and so we were able to get all their storm water, and then they were a huge, huge help in terms of reviewing the data. We tried to, you know. 310 00:47:48.580 --> 00:48:05.669 Frank Nelson: cast a wide net and review quite a few squares, essentially. We've got plots where people can kind of check in data and check it out, and we try to get a good coverage across the watershed, but for Kansas City, they covered the whole stinkin' city, and so they did a wonderful job. 311 00:48:05.690 --> 00:48:12.379 Frank Nelson: And we're really integrated into that. So, I think EDH for Kansas City is going to be really good. 312 00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:26.019 Lynda Wayne: All right, thanks. I'm gonna cut off the questions now. I do want to note that Lauren Healy with the NW team dropped her email into the chat, so if folks want to follow up with that, you can contact Lauren directly. 313 00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:30.359 Lynda Wayne: And I am going to take the share back from you, Frank. 314 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.280 Frank Nelson: All right, excellent. Thank you again for. 315 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.549 Lynda Wayne: Thank you so much, appreciate it. 316 00:48:44.330 --> 00:48:47.739 Lynda Wayne: Alright, we try each month to, 317 00:48:48.410 --> 00:48:56.270 Lynda Wayne: We like that focus, but we try to get some updates on different states, michigan, is it… 318 00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:59.889 Lynda Wayne: Is anybody here from Michigan? I know Mark couldn't make the call. 319 00:49:06.100 --> 00:49:08.210 Lynda Wayne: Anybody from Michigan. 320 00:49:09.510 --> 00:49:13.240 Lynda Wayne: All right, well, we'll go ahead and read his info, and you can follow… Sure. 321 00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:21.849 LauxmannT: This is Tim Lauxmann, I couldn't get off mute there and get my mic active. Yes, I'm sitting in for Mark today. 322 00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:24.630 Lynda Wayne: Thank you, and thank you, Tim. 323 00:49:25.230 --> 00:49:26.210 Lynda Wayne: Go ahead! 324 00:49:27.350 --> 00:49:35.220 LauxmannT: Basically, he's, he's got what, where we are pretty well there. We have, 325 00:49:35.390 --> 00:49:52.429 LauxmannT: The 38 watersheds that have been reviewed and accepted. We have some remaining ones that, should be taken care of soon. We are looking at doing a, 326 00:49:52.430 --> 00:50:02.249 LauxmannT: release of this data. We do have a tool for people, for, you know, for contributors, for users to go in. 327 00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:22.099 LauxmannT: and look, and review the data, start using it, and we're going to be collecting feedback for the first 6 months, kind of trying to get an idea of what people are seeing out there, what suggestions they're having. So, basically, what our tool is, it's a red line tool. 328 00:50:22.160 --> 00:50:38.500 LauxmannT: And, it has, two different faces to it. So we have the public-facing side, and then we have our internal-facing side. So, somebody goes in there, they want to… they're reviewing the data, they find something that, they want to 329 00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:42.590 LauxmannT: Make us aware of, they want to comment on, they can go into this app. 330 00:50:42.740 --> 00:50:59.590 LauxmannT: make a comment, do a markup, it gets sent to us. We would review it, and then determinations would be made on if something needs to be updated or not. Like I say, though, for the first 6 months. 331 00:50:59.590 --> 00:51:03.909 LauxmannT: We're just seeing what kind of things come in, so this is, 332 00:51:03.910 --> 00:51:22.150 LauxmannT: you know, we did have kind of a soft release before this to, like, just, just one county, but to kind of test this out a little bit. But yeah, I mean, that's where we are. We're kind of forging into the unknown there, and 333 00:51:22.290 --> 00:51:24.730 LauxmannT: I can let you know what happens. 334 00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:28.200 Lynda Wayne: Yeah, that's fantastic, because I think 335 00:51:28.330 --> 00:51:37.089 Lynda Wayne: there's just been so much discussion about how do we integrate that local knowledge, so I think a lot of us are anxious to see how that goes. Any questions for Tim? 336 00:51:40.270 --> 00:51:41.639 Lynda Wayne: Keep us posted! 337 00:51:41.990 --> 00:51:42.820 LauxmannT: Goldoop. 338 00:51:42.930 --> 00:51:43.470 LauxmannT: Thanks. 339 00:51:43.470 --> 00:51:44.730 Philip Worrall: Lynda? 340 00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:45.570 Lynda Wayne: Yes. 341 00:51:45.570 --> 00:51:59.490 Philip Worrall: This is Phil, I have one. When you say it's… your users are accessing it, are they accessing it through 3DHP through USGS, or through your own published version? 342 00:51:59.490 --> 00:52:14.000 LauxmannT: through our open data portal, our Michigan Open Data Portal, so they can go in, and they can, download the data from our open data portal, and they can go through and, you know, do what they need to do. 343 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:31.620 LauxmannT: And when things are found that are not as they expected them to be, we do have a website that has a link to an app that, as I described, it has a public-facing side where they can 344 00:52:31.620 --> 00:52:37.069 LauxmannT: Let us know what's going on, and, you know, we can review it from there. 345 00:52:38.090 --> 00:52:41.989 Philip Worrall: Is that in the EDH model, or a 3DHP model? 346 00:52:42.370 --> 00:52:45.140 LauxmannT: Edh. 347 00:52:45.370 --> 00:52:47.439 Philip Worrall: Okay, great. Thank you. 348 00:52:48.830 --> 00:52:50.660 Lynda Wayne: Thank you. Any other questions? 349 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:51.800 Lynda Wayne: For Tim? 350 00:52:53.110 --> 00:53:02.999 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): I… I just had, for clarification, are you submitting these changes to USGS to get updated in 3DHP, or would you manage the changes internally? 351 00:53:03.220 --> 00:53:09.880 LauxmannT: This is part of why we're waiting for the 6 months while everything gets figured out. 352 00:53:11.110 --> 00:53:11.820 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): Okay. 353 00:53:15.190 --> 00:53:19.059 Lynda Wayne: It sounds like it's going to be a hybrid approach, though. Is that correct, Tim? 354 00:53:19.060 --> 00:53:22.460 LauxmannT: That's what we're planning on right now, yes. That's where we are right now. 355 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:29.359 Lynda Wayne: So I think that's what's going to be really interesting to see how… how that falls out. So, well, thank you for sharing that. 356 00:53:30.550 --> 00:53:34.449 Lynda Wayne: Alright, next up, Jamie's gonna tell us what's going on in Minnesota. 357 00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:44.380 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: Alright, so my name is Jamie Schultz, and I am the GIS Coordinator for the Department of Natural Resources section of Fisheries and one of the hydrography data stewards. 358 00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:56.130 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: And, just to go over quick what we've been working on here in Minnesota, so the 3D Geomatics Committee has been busy building that foundation, so this is a grassroots community of practice. 359 00:53:56.340 --> 00:54:11.750 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: A group of hydrography data store… or data users in Minnesota that include state, federal, county, city, GIS practitioners, as well as local nonprofits, local businesses, educational institutions, so people interested in hydrography. 360 00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:23.859 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So we've been working to build awareness and educating hydrography data users, and build support for improved hydrography, so talking… taking opportunities and meetings with established groups. 361 00:54:23.980 --> 00:54:28.409 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: Mostly at Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, but other venues. 362 00:54:28.570 --> 00:54:38.320 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: As we have opportunity to do so, to share with, data users and also with leadership when we have those opportunities. 363 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:55.079 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So, we are currently working on a DNR ladder-derived hydrography initiative. So, this will allow us to move forward with planning to bring ladder-derived hydrography to the state. It will give us the ability to request and manage funding and cost-share funds for that purpose. 364 00:54:55.340 --> 00:55:05.169 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: And then connecting with other states, we've had an incredible opportunity to learn from many other states who are working towards the same end goal, and it's been really helpful for us to see what is 365 00:55:05.220 --> 00:55:14.910 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: being done by the states to, use 3DHP to create that new 3D hydrography data for their… for their use. 366 00:55:14.910 --> 00:55:29.110 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So our next steps are going to be to affirm that statutory ownership and program leadership. So, with retirements at DNR, there has been a loss of understanding about who is ultimately responsible for hydrography data in Minnesota. 367 00:55:29.170 --> 00:55:35.490 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So, by doing this, outreach with leadership, we're hoping to reestablish that knowledge. 368 00:55:35.770 --> 00:55:39.710 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: That, you know, they have that ownership of that data, right? 369 00:55:40.130 --> 00:55:41.640 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: through statutes. 370 00:55:41.990 --> 00:56:00.490 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: And also, establishing an ongoing hydrography program is a high priority for us. We don't currently have a hydrography program. Our data stewardship of the state hydrography data has been done by divisions in the DNR who have a vested interest in maintaining hydrography data for business needs. 371 00:56:00.870 --> 00:56:07.750 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So, we're hoping to establish that, and to designate business and technical data stewards 372 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:18.590 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: to make that responsibility for data stewardship of hydrography GIS data in Minnesota formalized. And then lastly is committing resources, so asking 373 00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:32.670 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: for support and funding for the hydrography program, for data maintenance, and for time to commit to, shepherding this data through the process to create that LiDAR-derived hydrography in Minnesota. 374 00:56:33.660 --> 00:56:34.680 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: So that's it. 375 00:56:37.230 --> 00:56:46.129 Lynda Wayne: Well, I'll jump in and say, Jamie, I would love to hear, as things progress, we'd love to have you come in and talk to us about outreach and engagement. I think that's something 376 00:56:46.370 --> 00:56:56.670 Lynda Wayne: That a lot of folks are struggling with, so it sounds like you've found… found an approach. And of course, as you develop those training materials, education materials, please get them in the registry for us. 377 00:56:56.980 --> 00:56:57.950 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: Alright. 378 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.790 Lynda Wayne: With that, I'll open it up to others. Anybody else have any questions for Jamie? 379 00:57:07.230 --> 00:57:10.119 Aimee Preau (LDEQ): This is… this is Amy in Louisiana, yes. 380 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.989 Aimee Preau (LDEQ): I would… I would second what Lynda said. We'd love to hear more about 381 00:57:14.160 --> 00:57:28.370 Aimee Preau (LDEQ): how you go about your outreach and getting partners on board and formalizing something like that from scratch with… I mean, you sound like you have a great group of users participating, but how do you go from that to… 382 00:57:28.870 --> 00:57:33.759 Aimee Preau (LDEQ): we're getting funding, this is who's responsible, I would love to hear that as you progress. 383 00:57:35.560 --> 00:57:38.459 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: Sure, and we have a great, 384 00:57:39.210 --> 00:57:50.499 Jamie Schulz, MN Fisheries: this… this 3D Geomatics committee actually did the work for 3D… or 3DEP ladder acquisition, so we're kind of following in their footsteps. So, yeah, we would be happy to share. 385 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.329 Lynda Wayne: Outstanding. Any other questions for Jamie? 386 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:00.490 Lynda Wayne: All right. 387 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.429 Lynda Wayne: Let's move on to Montana. 388 00:58:05.020 --> 00:58:05.960 Lynda Wayne: Troy? 389 00:58:06.140 --> 00:58:07.860 Troy Blandford (MT): I'm ready. Yeah, hello everybody. 390 00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:10.640 Lynda Wayne: Are you ready for us to show up next month, or two months? 391 00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:13.500 Troy Blandford (MT): We are, yeah, we're getting there. Yeah, we'll be ready. 392 00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:14.149 Lynda Wayne: All right. 393 00:58:14.620 --> 00:58:19.209 Troy Blandford (MT): Hello, everybody. Again, Troy Blandford. I'm with the Montana State Library. 394 00:58:19.550 --> 00:58:23.889 Troy Blandford (MT): I'm a lead GIS analyst, and I'm responsible for our water information program. 395 00:58:24.740 --> 00:58:32.189 Troy Blandford (MT): Let's see, I got two updates to share with you. The first is about our grant program, so the Montana State Library 396 00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:41.310 Troy Blandford (MT): Administers a grant program to support state, county, city, tribal projects that advance our state's geospatial information plan. 397 00:58:41.740 --> 00:58:49.139 Troy Blandford (MT): And, kind of the new thing for this grant cycle, this next two-year grant cycle, is that 3DHP is identified 398 00:58:49.550 --> 00:58:55.290 Troy Blandford (MT): As one of our top priorities of the grant program, and I'm excited to share that 399 00:58:55.680 --> 00:59:05.449 Troy Blandford (MT): We've got two hydrography-related grants that have been awarded, and one of those will support Blaine County and their partners in the, kind of, the northern tier of the state. 400 00:59:05.950 --> 00:59:10.310 Troy Blandford (MT): and allow them to apply to the upcoming USGS DCA, 401 00:59:10.580 --> 00:59:19.649 Troy Blandford (MT): So that's a way that state funding has been funneled to counties and cities to be able to participate and join on to DCA projects. 402 00:59:20.060 --> 00:59:27.110 Troy Blandford (MT): And then the other grant will support the Department of Natural Resources and Conservation, so the state agency 403 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:34.150 Troy Blandford (MT): They'll be working with local watershed groups in the Gallatin to prepare and get ready for 3DHP data. 404 00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:40.949 Troy Blandford (MT): So just this past week, last week, a 3DHP project kicked off in the Gallatin. 405 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:47.209 Troy Blandford (MT): By the way, the Gallatin Watershed is the location of the NSGIT conference, so hope to see you there. 406 00:59:47.720 --> 00:59:56.959 Troy Blandford (MT): And, anyways, this DNRC grant is about identifying local needs. Things like names, man-made versus natural flow. 407 00:59:57.080 --> 01:00:05.160 Troy Blandford (MT): Really detailed ditch and canal information, things that may not be satisfied by 3DHP. 408 01:00:05.740 --> 01:00:12.840 Troy Blandford (MT): And then that grant's also about developing the operating procedures for linking and maintaining local water data. 409 01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:19.490 Troy Blandford (MT): So it's a… I think it's a really neat project. It's all about, kind of, getting ready for 3DHP. Like, once the data's here, what do we do? 410 01:00:19.870 --> 01:00:24.630 Troy Blandford (MT): How can cities and counties be ready for it? And then the second update I want to mention. 411 01:00:24.930 --> 01:00:31.270 Troy Blandford (MT): Is that, staff have been working hard at writing plans for our spatial data infrastructure themes. 412 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:34.489 Troy Blandford (MT): And one of those themes is, of course, hydrography. 413 01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:41.469 Troy Blandford (MT): And our, our Geospatial Information Council recently, approved the hydrography theme plan. 414 01:00:41.640 --> 01:00:48.290 Troy Blandford (MT): And the elevation theme plan, And those set 1-5 year goals. 415 01:00:48.630 --> 01:00:53.039 Troy Blandford (MT): We're improving those themes and working towards statewide 3DHP. 416 01:00:54.570 --> 01:01:01.689 Troy Blandford (MT): A few of the goals in there were worth noting. I don't have time to go through all of them, but a few that I thought was worth noting for this group. 417 01:01:01.930 --> 01:01:09.540 Troy Blandford (MT): We're gonna be looking at developing a general hydrography acquisition strategy, like, how do we decide where we go first? How do we make those decisions? 418 01:01:09.770 --> 01:01:13.570 Troy Blandford (MT): That plan would include things like maps, timelines, cost estimates. 419 01:01:13.970 --> 01:01:21.719 Troy Blandford (MT): And then, as others have said, we want to develop an outreach plan about 3DHP that's specific for Montana, so those educational 420 01:01:21.830 --> 01:01:26.010 Troy Blandford (MT): resources that Lynda mentioned, we'll be working through those and developing 421 01:01:26.170 --> 01:01:28.880 Troy Blandford (MT): resources that are specific to Montana. 422 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:37.250 Troy Blandford (MT): And then there's a goal in our plan just to get after it, to pursue the DCA and other funding opportunities annually. 423 01:01:38.260 --> 01:01:44.620 Troy Blandford (MT): And then, lastly, I just want to throw out… toss out one challenge that I'm up against. 424 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:51.089 Troy Blandford (MT): And that's… and I'm sure the other states are facing this too, it's what do we do in the interim while the NHD is frozen? 425 01:01:51.350 --> 01:01:56.769 Troy Blandford (MT): And the 3DHP is being developed. I have a request from the City of Missoula. 426 01:01:57.250 --> 01:02:05.549 Troy Blandford (MT): To make changes to the hydrography data set, and at least, as of right now, like, as of the moment, no process is in place to do so, so… 427 01:02:05.680 --> 01:02:15.819 Troy Blandford (MT): You know, we need to work on that. I've got it in my plan as something to figure out, and, you know, obviously, kind of the risk there is you can start to get out of… out of sync with your data, so… 428 01:02:15.980 --> 01:02:19.879 Troy Blandford (MT): I think that's it. That's what I wanted to cover. Thanks. 429 01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:24.019 Lynda Wayne: Thank you, Troy. Any questions for Troy, or any comments? 430 01:02:29.750 --> 01:02:38.440 Lynda Wayne: I appreciate that last issue. That is something that we're going to have to strategize about, and maybe different solutions for different states, but, 431 01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:42.950 Lynda Wayne: Something that we as a group can talk about. 432 01:02:44.230 --> 01:02:46.900 Lynda Wayne: Last call. Questions about Montana? 433 01:02:50.620 --> 01:02:52.220 Lynda Wayne: Alright, thank you, Troy. 434 01:02:53.290 --> 01:02:54.760 Lynda Wayne: Oh my goodness. 435 01:02:56.010 --> 01:03:00.910 Lynda Wayne: I apologize, Angela. I don't know where my, New Jersey slide went. 436 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:06.509 Lynda Wayne: New Jersey. Angela or Keith, do either one of you… Want to bring up the… 437 01:03:06.510 --> 01:03:06.830 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): Tyler. 438 01:03:07.620 --> 01:03:11.569 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): Yeah, hi Lynda, this is, Keith Lyndeberry. I don't think Angela was able to make it today. 439 01:03:11.570 --> 01:03:13.020 Lynda Wayne: I apologize. 440 01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:15.920 Lynda Wayne: That's alright. It was here. 441 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:34.690 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): Yeah, I'll just give a quick update. I don't think we have too much. I mean, the main thing is that we put in our FY27 budget some money to actually do a pilot for 3DHP, since we have yet to get into that. So we're hoping that we can make that happen for, you know, that fiscal year. 442 01:03:34.690 --> 01:03:45.649 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): We've been working on updating all our LiDAR to Quality Level 1, so we're about to… we've done about half the state right now, starting to wrap up, you know, those two projects, and… 443 01:03:45.670 --> 01:03:57.470 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): We're hoping for next year to actually, you know, get the other, the other half of the state, you know, working on that. So, that's been our main thing, just to get that quality level one LiDAR updated. 444 01:03:58.120 --> 01:04:04.109 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): We do have, you know, we kind of maintain for our state 445 01:04:04.230 --> 01:04:17.299 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): just our kind of old NHD that was, you know, we do a land use update every 5 years, and when that happens, we, you know, update our stream network as well. And, you know, that's based a lot just on the imagery. 446 01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:25.929 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): So it would be good to, you know, get into 3DHP and see, you know, especially for the headwaters there, and get some, you know, better data there, but… 447 01:04:26.050 --> 01:04:35.639 Keith Lindabury (NJDEP): You know, we have been in talks with USGS about trying to, you know, port our data in, but it doesn't seem like that's a possibility. So that's kind of where we're at. 448 01:04:39.290 --> 01:04:41.070 Lynda Wayne: Any questions for Keith? 449 01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:43.400 Lynda Wayne: Anybody commiserate? 450 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.450 Lynda Wayne: All right, thank you so much, and again, my apologies, Keith, I appreciate it. 451 01:04:53.890 --> 01:04:58.660 Lynda Wayne: So, we always try to get the content in the first hour, and then… 452 01:04:58.830 --> 01:05:15.240 Lynda Wayne: leave some time for discussion in the second half hour, so if you have to bug off, we understand. But we just wanted to touch base with the community, and are there any hydrography issues you'd like to talk about? Raise your own, pick one of these. We can give about 453 01:05:15.410 --> 01:05:19.679 Lynda Wayne: 10 minutes to this discussion if we want. If everybody has 454 01:05:19.930 --> 01:05:24.380 Lynda Wayne: is in a good place and would rather move on, we can do that as well. I just have a closing slide. 455 01:05:34.660 --> 01:05:36.610 Lynda Wayne: Josh, please, jump in. 456 01:05:38.970 --> 01:05:43.189 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): I can just give a quick update on the Archhydro tools, if that's available. 457 01:05:43.190 --> 01:05:43.649 Lynda Wayne: That'd be great. 458 01:05:43.650 --> 01:05:55.839 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): Hello, anyone. We are getting very close to releasing, some new Archhydro tools for linking data to your 3DHP or EDH, doesn't matter. 459 01:05:55.910 --> 01:06:12.180 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): And it will include a tool that will help segment the polygon. So if you have a river boundary, and then you want to break that river boundary polygon at line breaks, where you have attributes. 460 01:06:12.180 --> 01:06:25.340 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): this tool will go and segment that polygon and take the attributes from the line and give it to the polygon. So, for example, you have fish distribution going up the river, and you want to break it where the species 461 01:06:25.410 --> 01:06:44.149 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): changes are. You could break that polygon at those points. So, I will make a plug for, I guess, for NSGIC Annual. I'm hoping to, showcase the tools that we have been working with Esri on to create. I think many of you have already seen some of these, but we will have some new snapping tools coming out. 462 01:06:46.070 --> 01:06:47.970 Lynda Wayne: Thanks, Josh. Any questions for Josh? 463 01:06:52.750 --> 01:06:55.800 Lynda Wayne: All right, anybody else have something they'd like to share with the group? 464 01:06:55.970 --> 01:06:59.109 Lynda Wayne: Something you're struggling with, or something that you've just achieved? 465 01:07:00.080 --> 01:07:01.000 Philip Worrall: Lynda? 466 01:07:01.180 --> 01:07:01.860 Lynda Wayne: Yes! 467 01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:07.129 Philip Worrall: This is Phil. I do have a question for Josh. I was struggling to get off mute there. 468 01:07:07.130 --> 01:07:09.740 Lynda Wayne: That's why I always go slow. 469 01:07:09.740 --> 01:07:13.390 Philip Worrall: When you're breaking the polygons, are you… 470 01:07:14.060 --> 01:07:23.330 Philip Worrall: Are you doing that in intent of having that in the final 3DHP model broken that way, or is this a internal 471 01:07:25.100 --> 01:07:26.610 Philip Worrall: Only kind of thing. 472 01:07:26.610 --> 01:07:41.260 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): That's a good question. No, this would be internal, and it would be very specific to whatever data you're trying to capture. So, someone may want to break it where they have weirs, someone may want to break it where 473 01:07:41.430 --> 01:07:49.480 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): They have changes in flow accumulation, or flow temperature, so it's going to be very specific to the analysis that you're doing. 474 01:07:50.230 --> 01:07:57.270 Philip Worrall: And is it using or referencing the 3DHP service that's out there, or is it a… 475 01:07:57.270 --> 01:08:04.119 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): That's a good… no, this would… I think this would have to be run locally on your… so you would have to download the data. 476 01:08:04.120 --> 01:08:06.810 Philip Worrall: So the annual snapshot of the 3D. 477 01:08:06.810 --> 01:08:07.240 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): HP. 478 01:08:07.540 --> 01:08:08.620 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): Okay. Yep. 479 01:08:08.870 --> 01:08:14.470 Philip Worrall: Or in some cases, the EDH, if it's not in there yet, right? 480 01:08:14.470 --> 01:08:33.690 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): Right, yeah, so you could do… use your EDH also, and it could be used for wetlands as well, you know, so you could, it doesn't just have to be the polygon, it's any… I mean, the, the water boundary, it's any polygon, so you could segment your floodplains, your channel migration zones, your ordinary high water, so whatever those 481 01:08:33.689 --> 01:08:47.140 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): You know, one of our, goals is how do we integrate the data? And so, integrating data from your flow lines to, other data sets would… this would be one way to accomplish that. 482 01:08:50.269 --> 01:08:51.199 Philip Worrall: Thank you. 483 01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:51.990 Joshua Greenberg (He/Him): You bet. 484 01:08:53.210 --> 01:08:56.430 Lynda Wayne: All right, any other discussion announcements, questions? 485 01:08:57.950 --> 01:08:58.899 Lynda Wayne: Ellen! 486 01:09:01.229 --> 01:09:18.239 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): Hi, I'm Ellen, I'm from the Pennsylvania Geological Survey. I just wanted to let everybody know… I've contacted a few people on this call, but our state are holding a series of end-of-the-year workshops promoting 3D hydrography. 487 01:09:18.240 --> 01:09:23.759 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): Would you mind if I share my screen to kind of show off some of our promotional materials? 488 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.259 Lynda Wayne: Absolutely, all yours. 489 01:09:28.180 --> 01:09:38.799 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): So, I just wanted to share this with you all. These workshops, we have 3 workshops for the 3 major river basins we have in our state. 490 01:09:38.830 --> 01:10:03.370 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): And these workshops aren't intended to be overly technical. This is kind… to an extent, this is kind of an outreach initiative. A lot of the audience that we've invited to these workshops are actually decision makers, so not necessarily people who would be interacting with hydrography on the daily, but folks who are involved in making the decisions 491 01:10:03.370 --> 01:10:06.070 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): For where funding is allocated. 492 01:10:06.070 --> 01:10:13.879 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): And I just kind of wanted to mention this to you all in case you were interested in doing something similar. 493 01:10:13.940 --> 01:10:33.400 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): These, like I said, these workshops aren't going to be super technical in nature. The intent is mostly to demonstrate the importance of hydrography, and also to, an extent, recognize some of the stumbling blocks that are going to be inherent to switching to 494 01:10:33.400 --> 01:10:34.760 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): A new dataset. 495 01:10:34.820 --> 01:10:47.359 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): So, if anyone on this call wants to virtually attend these workshops, they are being offered in a hybrid format, so in-person and virtual. 496 01:10:47.700 --> 01:10:55.509 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): If you're interested, I can circulate this flyer for those of you who just want to pop your head in and see what we're talking about. 497 01:10:55.510 --> 01:11:10.720 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): But a big emphasis of these workshops are going to be on specific case studies demonstrating how 3D hydrography would actually save our Commonwealth quite a lot of money, compared to traditional 2D data. 498 01:11:10.730 --> 01:11:13.060 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): So, I don't know, just wanted to share. 499 01:11:14.280 --> 01:11:20.309 Lynda Wayne: This is great, Ellen. Any chance there's a link to that brochure you could drop in the chat? 500 01:11:20.530 --> 01:11:30.809 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): Yeah, I don't have a link to these flyers. I can drop individual links to registration for each of the workshops, and if. 501 01:11:30.810 --> 01:11:31.880 Lynda Wayne: You can do that. 502 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:38.730 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): Yeah, if you don't mind, Lynda, could I send you this flyer, if you could circulate it to the folks on the call? 503 01:11:38.950 --> 01:11:44.500 Lynda Wayne: Certainly, and you are welcome to post it to the 3DHP, Interest Group yourself as well. 504 01:11:44.500 --> 01:11:46.800 Ellen Fehrs (Pennsylvania Geological Survey): Oh, awesome, I will make a note of that. Thank you. 505 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.460 Lynda Wayne: Okay, that sounds great. 506 01:11:50.620 --> 01:12:00.129 Lynda Wayne: Phil, I apologize, Phil's got one more question, I guess we'll throw it up there. Anyone looking into applications through 3DEP and… I mean, 3DHP and EDH data integrates? 507 01:12:00.280 --> 01:12:02.050 Lynda Wayne: With the groundwater. 508 01:12:03.130 --> 01:12:06.199 Lynda Wayne: This can just be a quick response. Anybody acted? 509 01:12:10.940 --> 01:12:17.570 Lynda Wayne: think about it, and connect with Phil, or send it through the 3DHP Interest Group, and we will follow up on it. 510 01:12:17.870 --> 01:12:27.370 Steve Aichele - USGS: Oh, hey, Lynda, I'll mention to Phil and those… that is… that is something we're thinking of. I mean, that's something we're thinking about, but there are a lot of different ways that happens. 511 01:12:27.590 --> 01:12:40.919 Steve Aichele - USGS: Right? Everything from, you know, from springs and karsts to, alluvial fans to just regular groundwater seepage and channels, and representing that 512 01:12:41.210 --> 01:12:46.260 Steve Aichele - USGS: In a consistent way, Like, with some consistent logic, 513 01:12:46.660 --> 01:12:50.769 Steve Aichele - USGS: Is… is… is a problem we're gonna be working on for a while. 514 01:12:51.020 --> 01:12:53.320 Philip Worrall: Yeah, it is. 515 01:12:53.900 --> 01:12:54.630 Philip Worrall: Yep. 516 01:12:56.120 --> 01:12:56.790 Philip Worrall: That's great. 517 01:12:56.790 --> 01:12:59.870 Lynda Wayne: Right, that sounds like a discussion topic for later. 518 01:13:04.070 --> 01:13:17.299 Lynda Wayne: All right, let's get you out of here. Just a quick reminder of what's coming up. October 2nd is the last day to register for the NSGIC conference using the standard registration. Speaking of the NSGIC conference, Lindsey will be proud of me. 519 01:13:17.300 --> 01:13:24.530 Lynda Wayne: Please email, if you have a 1991 photo of yourself, Nish… Lindsey's going to be, holding a… 520 01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:34.309 Lynda Wayne: match the member activity at the NSG… at the annual conference to celebrate our 355th year, so it should be fun. Please, please contribute to that. 521 01:13:36.860 --> 01:13:45.359 Lynda Wayne: As someone mentioned earlier, next month will be the Hydro Community Call, and I believe Steve said he's going to be talking about the Q4 release. 522 01:13:45.530 --> 01:13:48.239 Lynda Wayne: During that call, did I get that right, Steve? 523 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:49.969 Steve Aichele - USGS: Yes, 524 01:13:49.970 --> 01:13:50.410 Lynda Wayne: Okay. 525 01:13:50.410 --> 01:13:58.210 Steve Aichele - USGS: We'll talk about the Q4 release, and we'll probably have a little bit of a, you know, the accomplishments from 26 and plans for 27. 526 01:13:58.900 --> 01:14:09.380 Lynda Wayne: So please join that call a month from now. Most of you know the conference will be held the first week of November. I mentioned the 3D NTM happy hour. 527 01:14:09.450 --> 01:14:19.729 Lynda Wayne: You can find out about Josh's, new, Arc Hydro tools, and lots of other stuff. And again, please, we'd love to hear from you, if you'd like to present. 528 01:14:19.950 --> 01:14:38.559 Lynda Wayne: Did I mention prizes? There will be prizes. And then, our 3DHP will do the Interest Group in early December, because we always get mixed up there between Thanksgiving and Christmas, so we'll have a joint meeting in December on December, for the 3DHP Interest Group meeting. 529 01:14:38.620 --> 01:14:42.430 Lynda Wayne: Contact information, if you need to reach out to anybody. 530 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.990 Lynda Wayne: And, with that, I will say, any last comments or questions? 531 01:14:51.930 --> 01:14:57.299 Lynda Wayne: All right, thanks so much for joining us. I know you all are busy. I always learn so much during 532 01:14:57.450 --> 01:15:02.820 Lynda Wayne: these, meetings, and appreciate, the contributions that each of you make. Thank you! 533 01:15:03.770 --> 01:15:04.799 Philip Worrall: Thanks, Lynda.